tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post3435636561925100598..comments2024-01-25T09:26:15.915-05:00Comments on Dixie Yid: Chochma vs. Bina - Practical Manifestations - Part 4DixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)http://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-40528886581001118062010-07-25T18:01:01.953-04:002010-07-25T18:01:01.953-04:00Anon, yes I agree completely. When I wrote my resp...Anon, yes I agree completely. When I wrote my response a while back, I hadn't yet thought of your explanation, though I thought of it shortly afterward. Great point.DixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-76510339463448945322010-07-25T15:59:53.693-04:002010-07-25T15:59:53.693-04:00Saying that each chabad rebbe corresponds to a dif...Saying that each chabad rebbe corresponds to a different sefira doesn't contradict what rav morgenstern wrote since as is known every sefira contains all 10 sefiros. So within chochma there are all 10 sefiros - chochma shebichochma, bina shebichochma etc. Each corresponding to the chabad rebbesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-19587770500061130052007-11-27T12:57:00.000-05:002007-11-27T12:57:00.000-05:00Noahidelaws,While we're posting what we posted els...Noahidelaws,<BR/><BR/>While we're posting what we posted elsewhere, I'll do the same below. :-)<BR/><BR/>"it seems that you are ignorant about Rav Morgenstern. If his identification of the sefira that Chabad is most connected to is different from yours or one of the Chabad Rebbes, that does not imply that he is ignorant of what they wrote! It means that he disagrees. Beis Hillel's disagreement with Beis Shamai doesn't imply that Beis Hillel didn't know Beis Shamai's position. It means they disagree!"<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-35462671914389009562007-11-27T10:53:00.000-05:002007-11-27T10:53:00.000-05:00I posted this elsewhere, but I'll post it here bec...I posted this elsewhere, but I'll post it here because it's relevant to the thread: <BR/><BR/>As for Rav Morgenstein's characterisation of all Chabad Chasidus as Chochmah, I think it reveals tremendous ignorance in Chabad Chasidus. (Which perhaps also proves my point concerning the pitfalls of "unifying".) Indeed, the Alter Rebbe is identified with Chochmah, but his successor, the Mitteler Rebbe, is identified with bina, and so on, until the Rebbe is identified with Malchus. There are different ways of calculating how the Chabad Rebbeim correspond to the sefiros, but whatever the calculation is, it's something that the Rebbe spoke about many times. Also, it should be emphasised that the derech and chiddush of Chabad is davka the importance of reaching ahava v'yira in a more pnimiyus'dike and lasting way, because it is the result of lengthy hisbonenus. This is not leaving out middos and remaining with Chochmo, ch"v, as Rav Morgenstein's pigeon-holing of Chabad Chasidus implies, but on the contrary, it is reaching middos that are much more lasting and real than those aroused without lengthy hisbonenus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-88595550609158499072007-06-15T12:13:00.000-04:002007-06-15T12:13:00.000-04:00Anon 11:05,Unfortunately, I am totally unequipped ...Anon 11:05,<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, I am totally unequipped to understand or comment on the roots of the Meshichist movement, especially given Chabad's connection to Chochma and therefore Moshiach ben Yosef (not ben Dovid, as Meshichists believe). Perhaps Chabad's current form of messianism is some level of a fulfillment of the death of Moshiach ben Yosef preceeding the coming of Moshiach ben Dovid??? Just a thought, but I have absolutely no real insight to give.<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-74336757715769013622007-06-15T12:05:00.000-04:002007-06-15T12:05:00.000-04:00I'm confused about the open or concealed meshichis...I'm confused about the open or concealed meshichist group in Chabad:<BR/><BR/>With the historical emphasis of the Chabad movement on Chochma, how could these aberrations have started?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-91537026155886921792007-06-12T05:09:00.000-04:002007-06-12T05:09:00.000-04:00@dixie yidI stand corrected.. the fact that he's b...@dixie yid<BR/><BR/>I stand corrected.. the fact that he's bringing all of the machlokot into one cohesive framework is very chochmah .. <BR/><BR/>but it's actually something i've always associated more with da'ath.. the correct admixing of binah and chochmahyitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866660855678077639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-53269638132617923632007-06-10T08:32:00.000-04:002007-06-10T08:32:00.000-04:00AY,if you know of a different breakdown, please ex...AY,<BR/><BR/>if you know of a different breakdown, please explain the reasons. I'm very interested. Yasher Koach.<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-53737190422311623582007-06-10T08:22:00.000-04:002007-06-10T08:22:00.000-04:00Yitz, I corrected the spelling. I try to use the s...Yitz, <BR/><BR/>I corrected the spelling. I try to use the spell check function but unless I have a short posting, that function has stopped working. Not sure why. Any advice would be appreciated.<BR/><BR/>Great He'orah on Bina and the Kuntres. There's another way to look at it though. Since he's generalizing all of the details and putting things in their greater, root perspective, there's an element of Chochma there tooDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-57557899153854129382007-06-10T07:59:00.000-04:002007-06-10T07:59:00.000-04:00i think it should be also said that this whole kun...i think it should be also said that this whole kuntres looks to be very Bina-based which is explained now through the understanding that the author is Breslov .. <BR/><BR/>In other words, the whole Kuntres is delineating the differences between different segments of judaism into the Hochmah/Binah dichotomy --- something that has to come from a place of Binah.yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866660855678077639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-56736887621253024082007-06-10T07:56:00.000-04:002007-06-10T07:56:00.000-04:00technical msg: dispirate is spelled disparate(i'm ...technical msg: <BR/>dispirate is spelled disparate<BR/><BR/>(i'm only correcting spelling since you are translating someone else's work)yitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05866660855678077639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-40968544092324578622007-06-10T07:07:00.000-04:002007-06-10T07:07:00.000-04:00AY, thanks for writing back. No, I said what I sai...AY, thanks for writing back. No, I said what I said on purpose. According to R' Morgenstern, Chabad is associated with Chochma, and as he said in the post, that's associated with Yosef HaTzadik and Moshiach ben Yosef. I think he hinted in the section on the GR"A and Chassidus that Chabad Chassidus basically took over this role that the derech ha'GR"A should have taken, if you re-read sections 3 and 4 together with that in mind. And Breslov, he said, is the side of Bina, which relates to Moshiach Ben Dovid, and, as I mentioned in the comment section, the side of Leah. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps there is another way of explaining these things by others and R' Morgenstern's is different in this regard, though it makes sense to me.)<BR/><BR/>Moshe, <BR/><BR/>Thanks for the links I'll have to check that out. I would hope that I could find an explanation there for the reasons behind that breakdown you gave us. Yasher Koach!<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-83178327461814431682007-06-10T06:08:00.000-04:002007-06-10T06:08:00.000-04:00DY: R' Yitzchak Ginsburgh is the founder of gal ei...DY: R' Yitzchak Ginsburgh is the founder of gal einai ( galeinai.net ). You even linked to his old website, inner.org in this last posting! He's a huge genius and a true chassid, and he reveals the most amazing chiddushim! Look through his new site (galeinai.net). You'll probabl enjoy his new shiurim on Torah and science there.<BR/>I don't have anything in writing, but gal einai have put out many books, so may be it's in one of them.<BR/>Isn't it interesting that the two people who reveal such awesome things should both be called Yitzchak? And one is Chabad and one is Breslov.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-61720034997097793732007-06-10T05:21:00.000-04:002007-06-10T05:21:00.000-04:00Dear Dixie Yid,Thanks for your answers.Seems you m...Dear Dixie Yid,<BR/>Thanks for your answers.<BR/>Seems you made a confusion because Moshiah' ben Yossef, and Yossef as a Tzadik Yessod Olam is very linked to Breslov, whereas for Chabad, they claim to be linked with Dovid HaMelech and Moshiah ben David...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-86239895715570371642007-06-09T23:11:00.000-04:002007-06-09T23:11:00.000-04:00AY, Just to make clear, I'm not taking credit for ...AY, <BR/><BR/>Just to make clear, I'm not taking credit for the words I posting. I'm merely translating parts of a Kuntres by Rav Itchie Mayer Morgenstern, as explained in the introductory post. <BR/><BR/>As far as Breslov vs. Chabad, it's a great question but I think you're right about the answer. It depends on your Shoresh neshoma. Are you a Rochel or a Leah?<BR/><BR/>My rebbe says that there are two types of people (though most are amalgams w/a perponderance of one trait or the other). Rochels are on the side of Chochma and tend to be dependable, stable, solid personalities who can remain steadfast in thier commitments and Ruchnius. That personality type would seem to be more drawn to Chabad Chassidus, which relates to the side of Chochma and the side of Rochel and Moshiach ben Yosef, the Tzadik Yesod Olam.<BR/><BR/>Leahs are the side of Bina. They're prone to more ups and downs, with great potential for great highs and well as low lows. Leah is the side of Moshiach ben Dovid, the ultimate Baal Teshuva. This is more the side of Breslov, if that's where your personality leans.<BR/><BR/>Of course, if you're 70% Leah and 30% Rochel, maybe you should learn Breslov Chassidus 70% and Chabad Chassidus 30%! :-)<BR/><BR/>What are your thoughts?<BR/><BR/>Moshe, you can read more from R' Itchie Mayer Morgenstern from his seforim, called Yam Hachochma. One of them is available online at mysefer.com at the following link:<BR/><BR/>http://www.mysefer.com/product.asp?cookiecheck=yes&numPageStartPosition=1981&P_ID=3644&strPageHistory=&strKeywords=&strSearchCriteria=&PT_ID=86<BR/><BR/>I'm very interested in that breakdown from R' Ginsburgh. Forgive my ignorance, but who is that? Where can I found more information on what you shared? You had all the details which tells me perhaps you have it in writing? Or in notes or something? Look forward to hearing back.<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-44298663745225610302007-06-09T17:51:00.000-04:002007-06-09T17:51:00.000-04:00Dixie Yid: Thank you, this is awesome! Who is R'...Dixie Yid: Thank you, this is awesome! Who is R' Iche Morgenstern, and where can we hear more of his shiurim?<BR/>On a related subject, I heard in the name of R' Ginsburgh, how he categorized all the major groups in klal yisroel according to the seven lower sfirot. Here it is: Chesed - the sefardim; Gvurah - the Gr'a and the yeshiva world; Tiferet - Chabad; Netzach - R' Kook; Hod - the mussar movement; Yesod - general chassidus; Malchus - Breslov. I assume both approaches are right, they're just talking about different aspects of each kehilla.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-69293847963140280882007-06-09T17:08:00.000-04:002007-06-09T17:08:00.000-04:00Great post!I wonder how could someone choose betwe...Great post!<BR/>I wonder how could someone choose between the path of Chabad and the path of Rabbi Nahman... Is it a question of one's soul roots? Do you have something to say on this issue?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com