tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post4114313160426104540..comments2024-01-25T09:26:15.915-05:00Comments on Dixie Yid: Tanya on Fear/Embarrassment - "And They Saw 'Ki Boshesh Moshe'"DixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)http://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-23266700286026329162011-11-01T14:48:26.380-04:002011-11-01T14:48:26.380-04:00He explained to us that the yiras boshes itself is...He explained to us that the yiras boshes itself is to be extinguished from yiras ha'onesh. He was not saying that the Tanya compared the two.DixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-85119803534866168822011-11-01T14:44:58.728-04:002011-11-01T14:44:58.728-04:00I did read what you wrote, but I'm glad I misu...I did read what you wrote, but I'm glad I misunderstood. Now, ch. 4 mentions two levels of yirah. One is yiras boshes. You mention this, then write: "This is in contrast to the lower level of fear (though halevai we should attain it) called yiras ha'onesh, fear of punishment." If Rabbi W. didn't say that, I'm glad to hear it. That is not the contrast drawn in ch. 4 there. There yiras boshes is contrasted with yirah tata'ah.<br /><br />But aside from that technical point, I do agree with you--halevai we would have yiras ho'onesh!Yehoishophot Oliverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906934928426540018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-2024496591472662642011-11-01T14:29:44.385-04:002011-11-01T14:29:44.385-04:00Thank you for commenting!
I re-read because I was...Thank you for commenting!<br /><br />I re-read because I was confused by the fact that you are criticizing something I did not say that Rav Weinberger or the Tanya said. It appears that you did not read what I wrote that Rav Weinberger said before commenting.<br /><br />To clarify, Rav Weinberger did not say ch. 4 was discussing yiras Ha'onesh, which it sounds like is the main subject of your disagreement. As I wrote, he said that ch. 4 discussed yiras boshes, *and not* yiras ha'onesh.<br /><br />He had explained yiras boshes and I was offering an idea to connect the word "boshes" to the pasuk "ki boshesh Moshe." <br /><br />HOpe that helps. Kol tuv!DixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-63859391539209075132011-11-01T00:37:46.202-04:002011-11-01T00:37:46.202-04:00WADR to this Rabbi, whom I do not know, as a stude...WADR to this Rabbi, whom I do not know, as a student of Chabad Chassidus for many years, this explanation is not correct. The lower level of yirah discussed in Tanya ch. 4 and throughout Chassidus (in particular, the beg. of Tanya ch. 41, and the rest of that chapter and the following one), is yirah tata'ah, which is, as the Alter Rebbe says right there, a fear of rebelling against Hashem. One fears not because of something that will happen to oneself, but simply because one fears rebelling against the King: והיראה היא שרש לשס"ה לא תעשה כי ירא למרוד במלך מלכי המלכים .הקב"ה Yiras ha'onesh is rarely discussed in Chassidus Chabad; it's certainly not discussed in Tanya, as far as I can recall.<br /><br />Yirah tata'ah comes from Kedusha; yiras ha'onesh comes from Kelipah.Yehoishophot Oliverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16906934928426540018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-70797850345099809902011-03-07T19:53:05.647-05:002011-03-07T19:53:05.647-05:00The Aish Kodesh makes a similar distinction in Cho...The Aish Kodesh makes a similar distinction in Chovos HaTalmidim. He speaks about the difference between daygah and aztvus. Daygah is worrying that leads you to action. Aztvus is a worrying that leads you to despair and to passivity. <br /><br />He brings downs a mashal. There is a treasure buried deep underground. Atzvus will make you say "Wow, look how deep that treasure is. I will never be able to dig it up. It will take too much time and effort. I might as well just forget about it." But daygah will make you say "Wow, that treasure is buried deep underground. It's time to get to work and start digging!" (That is a paraphrase of course)<br /><br />It's a very similar, if not the same, midah. But as you said, it's all about how you channel it.Menachem Mendelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17959172212476671998noreply@blogger.com