tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post4961400502730159206..comments2024-01-25T09:26:15.915-05:00Comments on Dixie Yid: The Choice Facing Jews With a Homosexual OrientationDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)http://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-58002632880479500982008-11-06T12:35:00.000-05:002008-11-06T12:35:00.000-05:00Humanity includes a "rainbow" of drives, and as Ra...Humanity includes a "rainbow" of drives, and as Rav Feldman's article, the aish.com article, and previous comments have explained, the Torah teaches us how and when to use or sublimate these drives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-47369070517866937742008-11-06T09:35:00.000-05:002008-11-06T09:35:00.000-05:00The rainbow is symbolic of the fact that humanity ...The rainbow is symbolic of the fact that humanity is comprised of all sorts of different people. Ideally, we come together to make one beautiful entity. All of the colors are important, therefore from the perspective of a person struggling with the issue of sexual orientation, they too are important. They are not a worthless piece of garbage who has no place in the world. They are humans who struggle with temptations like all of us. <BR/><BR/>I have many friends who are gay. They have all had to deal with being dumped and rejected over and over again by family, friends, coworkers, etc. It takes a toll on them, as you can imagine. Not one of them feels like it is something they have chosen, for what it's worth. That doesn't mean they must choose to engage in the behavior, but it does illustrate how deep the orientation is for these specific people I know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-64668457835850477502008-11-06T07:10:00.000-05:002008-11-06T07:10:00.000-05:00G,Although I don't think that is their actual, con...G,<BR/><BR/>Although I don't think that is their actual, conscious intent, it does make sense, especially as they (those doing the opposite of trying to keep the Torah) are fulfilling "ki shicheis kol basar es darko al ha'aretz."<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-35905839037853082392008-11-06T06:42:00.000-05:002008-11-06T06:42:00.000-05:00Dixie,Well, the rainbow symbolizes Hashem's promis...Dixie,<BR/><BR/>Well, the rainbow symbolizes Hashem's promise never to destroy life on Earth again.<BR/><BR/>So I think maybe they are reminding Him of that.<BR/><BR/>-G.Gandalinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09196550750055246901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-70712714065584892032008-11-05T20:35:00.000-05:002008-11-05T20:35:00.000-05:00Gandalin,Interesting question. What do you think?B...Gandalin,<BR/><BR/>Interesting question. What do you think?<BR/><BR/>By the way, did anyone notice the picture I found with the rainbow flag in the background? :-)<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-91440068181910551582008-11-05T20:29:00.000-05:002008-11-05T20:29:00.000-05:00Since we're just after reviewing Parshas Noach las...Since we're just after reviewing Parshas Noach last week, why do you think these folks use the rainbow as their symbol?Gandalinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09196550750055246901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-2084076952868258802008-11-05T09:56:00.000-05:002008-11-05T09:56:00.000-05:00Αλέξανδρος said: Then they can have whatever rela...Αλέξανδρος said: <BR/> <BR/>Then they can have whatever relationship they want to have “on the side”, according to their commitment to Halacha (ideally, from Halachic point of view, refraining from forbidden activities, but that’s their personal choice). <BR/> <BR/>My reply: From a Torah point of view, refraining from forbidden activities is not a personal choice; it is a personal obligation. Even if one does not succeed right away, the obligation is to try and keep trying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-75725980644636318682008-11-05T08:54:00.000-05:002008-11-05T08:54:00.000-05:00In regards to a mitzvah of having children and an ...In regards to a mitzvah of having children and an ideal situation (supposedly) of children having a father and a mother, one solution would be for a gay guy to have children with a lesbian woman. Then they can have whatever relationship they want to have “on the side”, according to their commitment to Halacha (ideally, from Halachic point of view, refraining from forbidden activities, but that’s their personal choice). That way, nobody is sacrificing anything — neither the woman nor the man — and both can have a family.<BR/><BR/>In regards to the question of “how do we relate to homosexuals, if we consider their behavior inappropriate from Halachic point of view” — the same way we deal with those that break Shabbos, eat treif, and do other aveiros. With ahavas Yisroel. There is no other legitimate or intelligent way.Anarchist Chossidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04129716759837282565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-22956939857854612052008-11-05T07:29:00.000-05:002008-11-05T07:29:00.000-05:00Well to the extent that you personally have a cont...Well to the extent that you personally have a contact with someone who you know has a homosexual orientation, for whatever reason, and is trying to stay committed to the Torah, it would be a test for you as well. <BR/><BR/>But in such a case, I also don't think Hashem would want us to banish such a person. He or she will be facing a very tough nisayon, test, and to the extent that we can be supportive of someone in that situation, it would behoove us to do so! Hashem didn't forbid the orientation its self. Rather, he forbade acting on it in thought or deed, just like the other forbidden relationships for the rest of us.<BR/><BR/>If someone is trying to overcome such a test, they have great merit. Pirkei Avos says "l'fum tzara agra," that the gain/reward is commensurate with the pain. And the person who works to overcome this ta'avah is certainly being moser nefesh to keep the Torah more than many of us will! So they would certainly deserve our respect and support, and ChV"Sh not any kind of ostracism for such a person.<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-32252400806942844722008-11-05T05:31:00.000-05:002008-11-05T05:31:00.000-05:00how interesting - there are so many "conditions" t...how interesting - there are so many "conditions" that are now deemed Ok, because, we are human. Did Hashem "make" some homosexuals as a test to them or as a test for the rest of us? For them, they must rise above their homosexuality to follow the Torah, which i can imagine, if you are feeling something so strongly within, can't be very easy, BUT for the rest of us, does Hashem want us to be tolerant, to teach these people? I can't imagine Hasham would want us to banish and punish them. What are your thoughts?Shortyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05195198876287540850noreply@blogger.com