tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post6395831986320314704..comments2024-01-25T09:26:15.915-05:00Comments on Dixie Yid: Unbelievable Erev Shabbos Ma'aseh From Reb Elimelch of LizhenskDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)http://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-67262863600341331822007-11-11T16:03:00.000-05:002007-11-11T16:03:00.000-05:00Rabbi Newman, I hear the point you're making. To m...Rabbi Newman, I hear the point you're making. To me personally it is not ma'aleh or morid to be chokeir about whether or not the story hisorically happened though. <BR/><BR/>I stuck with seeing it as actually having happened because that's the way I heard it over. But that whole issue isn't that important to me. The first comment and many others out of the box were about the historiocity. That says to me that there's more of a hang up about whether something actually happened than an attitude of just skipping over that issue to the *main* issue which is the point of the story, which we both agree on.<BR/><BR/>Harry, thanks for making your point the way you did this time around. I appreciate your point and I definitely appreciate any stories I can get my hands on about the Satmar Rov's famous sharp wit. However, I'm more from the tradition that "anyone who believes all of these stories is a fool and anyone who denies all of them is a kofer."<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-43019811213264704302007-11-11T15:11:00.000-05:002007-11-11T15:11:00.000-05:00Which Satmar Rebbe did you grow up with? The Divre...Which Satmar Rebbe did you grow up with? The Divrei Yoel or the Berach Moshe Z'TL?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-32614174761956016192007-11-11T11:46:00.000-05:002007-11-11T11:46:00.000-05:00you might be suprised to know,that the satmar rebb...you might be suprised to know,that the satmar rebbi zzl'absolutely did not believe in these childish rebbishe hokus pokus story's,there is a famous vort from him,which he said it in tongue in cheek,that the reason why chasidim say over rebbishe,miracle story's on motzei shabbos,because the talmud says that even an am haaretz,does not say lies on shabbos,therefore all shabbos long he had to keep all his lies inside himself,well comes motzei shabbos he packs it all out.<BR/>i grew up in satmar,and was pretty close to the rebbi z't'l.and remmember him numerous times,whenever someone told over one of these rebbishe stories,he absolutely made fun off it,and insisted that only a fool would belive it<BR/><BR/> chaimjackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362441815954044213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-41548927321700150552007-11-11T10:09:00.000-05:002007-11-11T10:09:00.000-05:00You're correct-the point is the point of the story...You're correct-the point is the point of the story. <BR/><BR/>We're hung up on this bec. you were so adamant that it was literal. Plus, believing this kind of story as literal can create people who believe that a fish talked in New Square. . .and, dare I say, that a man walked on water, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-43938907534238187772007-11-10T23:31:00.000-05:002007-11-10T23:31:00.000-05:00My question for y'all is this:Your point, I assume...My question for y'all is this:<BR/><BR/>Your point, I assume, asserting that one should not take the story literally, is that one should take from the story its point, rather than knowledge of its historiocity.<BR/><BR/>But if that's so, why are y'all so hung up on proving whether or not it happened??? The fact that you are indicates that you are more focused on whether or not the story historically happened, rather than the story's message about making Erev Shabbos a very holy time, and not a throwaway time that's just used to get things done.<BR/><BR/>Whether or not it did literally happen is not the point anyway. We can all agree on that, right?<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-40176662074910990722007-11-10T23:13:00.000-05:002007-11-10T23:13:00.000-05:00Putting hands in fire is not like snow anyway, sin...Putting hands in fire is not like snow anyway, since the way you describe, his hands would most def. be damaged permenantly,-he then couldn't perfrom many mitzvos that require hands<BR/><BR/>We're beating this to death but the point is clear-it's not literal!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-38878587357587133912007-11-10T18:57:00.000-05:002007-11-10T18:57:00.000-05:00I still love you anyway.-Dixie Yid<A HREF="http://bp0.blogger.com/_sMA1Zd6ZRqw/RzZEs56pRNI/AAAAAAAAAh8/UP8-EqdZ4nY/s1600-h/talk+to+the+hand.jpg" REL="nofollow">I still love you anyway</A>.<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-5365217169746913462007-11-09T14:58:00.000-05:002007-11-09T14:58:00.000-05:00Strong suspicion that anon 2:31 is dixieyid himsel...Strong suspicion that anon 2:31 is dixieyid himself. . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-21304967678820995852007-11-09T14:33:00.000-05:002007-11-09T14:33:00.000-05:00Anon 2:31,Thanks! Good Shabbos!-Dixie YidAnon 2:31,<BR/><BR/>Thanks! Good Shabbos!<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-42526125764806549402007-11-09T14:31:00.000-05:002007-11-09T14:31:00.000-05:00Visitors- Let's all be careful not to be putting o...Visitors- Let's all be careful not to be putting our tongues (or finger-tips) in the perverbial fire here, chevra. <BR/><BR/>Great post, Dixie Yid! Powerful maaseh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-22982626100441750122007-11-09T13:29:00.000-05:002007-11-09T13:29:00.000-05:00I strongly believe that the Satmar Rebbe would say...I strongly believe that the Satmar Rebbe would say that anyone who believes this Reb Mailach maaseh as literal is a fool. . . .Putting hands into fire is most def. a mashal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-76693694285188063062007-11-09T11:29:00.000-05:002007-11-09T11:29:00.000-05:00Harry,If you want to leave a thoughtful, respectfu...Harry,<BR/><BR/>If you want to leave a thoughtful, respectful comment, we would love to hear from you after you cool off.<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-1224969943697985792007-11-09T11:24:00.000-05:002007-11-09T11:24:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06362441815954044213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-3819603839334796022007-11-09T11:18:00.000-05:002007-11-09T11:18:00.000-05:00But of course, the main point of the story is the ...But of course, the main point of the story is the "point of the story," not its historiocity. Nevertheless, it is also true that whether it was the Satmar Rov or someone else, it is also said that "Anyone who dissbelieves all of these stories is a kofer."<BR/><BR/>The focus is on the word "all" and on the fact that one takes the point from the story, which is why I ended the post the way I did, focusing on practical application.<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-82608638122974067102007-11-09T11:16:00.000-05:002007-11-09T11:16:00.000-05:00Anon 11:07,You are right in a general way, but the...Anon 11:07,<BR/><BR/>You are right in a general way, but the truth is more complicated than you make it out to be.<BR/><BR/>The gemara says that the Chassidim Harishonim would perform self-mortification by rolling around in the snow (frostbite, anyone?). There were stories that R' Yisroel Rizhiner, who dressed and conducted himself in a royal, opulent manner, kept broken glass in his shoes, so that his conduct would only be L'ma'an Shmo and not for the purpose of kavod or ta'anug.<BR/><BR/>Chavala b'atzmo is a relative term dependant on many factors. Not a simple bright-line rule, as you seem to think. Women pierce their ears. In ancient times, they used to pierce their noses and other parts of their bodies as well. Doctors perform chabal on people every single day. Similar to Tza'ar baalei chaim, whether or not chabala is asur takes into account a balancing test for why it's being done, whether there's a tzorech, a need to do so. And whether that need or purpose counterbalances the chabalah. It is not a clear-cut rule as you might have thought.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure the tikunim that he and other great Tzadikim on his level were accomplishing far outweighed the factors mitigating against chabala.<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-11951442028501046822007-11-09T11:07:00.000-05:002007-11-09T11:07:00.000-05:00It is against halacha to be chovel b'atzmo. Reb Ma...It is against halacha to be chovel b'atzmo. Reb Mailech followed halacha.<BR/><BR/>The Satmar Rebbe said anyone who believes all chassidishe maasos is a fool.<BR/><BR/>The point of many of these maasos, like many midrashim, is the point, the lesson, but they are not meant literally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-49134721148931346662007-11-09T11:05:00.000-05:002007-11-09T11:05:00.000-05:00just curious you say you heard this from your rebb...just curious you say you heard this from your rebbe. who is your rebbe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-30182802469513122582007-11-09T10:42:00.000-05:002007-11-09T10:42:00.000-05:00The story is that he literally did put his hands i...The story is that he literally did put his hands in the fire. Someone like Reb Elimelech isn't like everyone else.<BR/><BR/>Also, he wasn't someich on the nes. He WANTED to be burnt as the story explained and he was upset that he wasn't. You and I aren't on the level where we should be seeking yissurim, self-mortification, but Reb Mailech was and he did many other things to himself as well, according to the sefer Asara Tzachtzachos.<BR/><BR/>He may have really done this but the standard disclaimer applies; "Kids, don't try this at home."<BR/><BR/>Good Shabbos.<BR/><BR/>-Dixie YidDixieYid (يهودي جنوبي)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03713423988723533390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2606399196932045640.post-83897902258121519732007-11-09T10:16:00.000-05:002007-11-09T10:16:00.000-05:00Thanks for posting notes from the shiur, as we dis...Thanks for posting notes from the shiur, as we discussed last week. Awesome.<BR/><BR/>One thing though I'm positive about-there's no way that he literally put his arms in fire. He may have put them close to the fire. . .but not in a way that he could have become burned. It'd be against halacha to put his hands in fire. Plus, ein somchin al hanes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com